Comments on: Ta-ta, Bill Shorten, the coming man always and the great never was https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/09/06/bill-shorten-retirement-labor-factions/ On politics, media, business, the environment and life Mon, 09 Sep 2024 04:34:53 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.5 By: Bob the builder https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/09/06/bill-shorten-retirement-labor-factions/#comment-751189 Mon, 09 Sep 2024 04:34:53 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1173660#comment-751189 “David Marr” and “mostly uncomprehending” are words that fit together very well.

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By: Jimbo from Logan https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/09/06/bill-shorten-retirement-labor-factions/#comment-751183 Mon, 09 Sep 2024 04:06:01 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1173660#comment-751183 In reply to Guy Rundle.

morals? what?

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By: Russell G https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/09/06/bill-shorten-retirement-labor-factions/#comment-751077 Sun, 08 Sep 2024 00:18:59 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1173660#comment-751077 In reply to Rusty Nail.

Thanks RN for your input. But don’t forget, Tetanus has no cure, you need to be vaccinated.

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By: Hoojakafoopy https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/09/06/bill-shorten-retirement-labor-factions/#comment-751062 Sat, 07 Sep 2024 16:12:15 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1173660#comment-751062 In reply to Gonggongche.

Yeah, defending gambling advertising because it props up (otherwise un-) commercial tv isn’t working in our interests.

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By: Gonggongche https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/09/06/bill-shorten-retirement-labor-factions/#comment-751012 Sat, 07 Sep 2024 04:25:15 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1173660#comment-751012 In reply to klewso.

Labor is a nest of mainly career politicians who are treating representing Australian voters as a game to play where each new level gets you closer to being PM, and if you get to the higher levels, you can bail out with some kind of highly paid industry lobbying job.

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By: Gonggongche https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/09/06/bill-shorten-retirement-labor-factions/#comment-751010 Sat, 07 Sep 2024 04:20:24 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1173660#comment-751010 In reply to Gonggongche.

Is Yass tech a nickname for the University of Canberra??

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By: Gonggongche https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/09/06/bill-shorten-retirement-labor-factions/#comment-751009 Sat, 07 Sep 2024 04:18:15 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1173660#comment-751009 In reply to stuart cox.

Too right stuart cox, the media, mainstream media, foreign-owned corporations, fossil fuel industries, Labor and the Coalition are going to run an orchestrated slandering of the Greens – I’d argue they have been already – but on a level we haven’t seen before. The Greens threaten the cozy capture of power that the duopoly has handed those concentrating wealth in the hands of the few.

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By: Gonggongche https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/09/06/bill-shorten-retirement-labor-factions/#comment-750986 Sat, 07 Sep 2024 01:17:54 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1173660#comment-750986 In reply to Do The Pop.

Yes, Do the Pop, there is the possibility that he might have been freed from all the internal machinations of Labor if he were PM and been the PM that served for the people.

However, pragmatically speaking, years of Labor supporters holding out hope for this that or the next thing has been part of the problem we have with the election of a duopoly that has betrayed us badly. Few Labor MPs have stood up and said I can’t stand with Labor on this, Fatima Payman being the most recent to have taken a principled stand. Labor has not served us, but corporations for decades. Bill Shorten knows we have been betrayed on gas resources, for instance but has not spoken out – that gives me no confidence he would have worked in our interests.

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By: Gonggongche https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/09/06/bill-shorten-retirement-labor-factions/#comment-750983 Sat, 07 Sep 2024 01:09:54 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1173660#comment-750983 In reply to Bob P.

I share your concern with the Labor henchmen and women selling our ‘soul to the uSA’ Bob P. But I don’t agree that no one has been talking about it at all.
The Greens were talking about way back in 2021.
Greens Announce Plan for Peace, Demilitarisation and Rejection of AUKUS Submarine Deal | Australian Greens
Take a look at what the Greens are proposing, you may be pleasantly surprised.

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By: Gonggongche https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/09/06/bill-shorten-retirement-labor-factions/#comment-750982 Sat, 07 Sep 2024 01:01:59 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1173660#comment-750982 In reply to Peter Wotton.

Yes, Peter Wotten he did, and it was an excellently crafted program, it incorporated grandfathering and capping (or flooring) in its design so as to not make it too big a jump and scare off the horses.

There’s been a lot of reasons proffered as explanations for the 2019 loss: distrust of Bill Shorten; the advent of the use of social media algorithms to spread misinformation; and the usual Coalition fear campaign that captures a certain part of the electorate. Could the first two have been avoided if the program had been an integral heavily promoted part of Labor platform for a decade? I don’t remember it being a part of any of the elections the time Howard introduced them to 2019 election.

As for solving our housing policy, I can’t see any solution that doesn’t involve building a lot more social housing. Then, there is an issue of Labor being in power from 2007 to 2013 and now 2022 to 2024 and nothing has been done to restore our public education to what it was before Howard and his state counterparts did their best to destroy it. To me Labor lost, over a decade ago, any credibility for developing good social policy that it really supports.

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